Q&A with Erotic Illustrator Robert W. Richards
Patrick McDonald just called to say that our dear friend Robert W. Richards has died. An accomplished illustrator, he was still twirling at late night downtown parties well into his 70s. He was always such a delight to spend time with because he was so witty and so absolutely filthy, it was refreshing and highly entertaining! He was most famous for his erotic illustrations that began when he was curious to know more about the porn stars he would watch in the theaters on 42nd Street back in the 70s. Can you imagine?
I was honored to sit for him in the buff for an interview I did with him back in 2007. Sadly, I don’t think it ever ran (or I can’t find a copy since it was in print!), so here it is in its entirety. You have to feel pretty comfortable with someone to interview them naked, but as you can see here, he is very talented at enhancing all the right parts!
Here we go:
Porn personas Samantha Foxx, Ron Jeremy and Jenna Jameson are all practically household names today. Who would have thought that someone who screws for a living would become part of the mainstream conscious of society?
The reason behind this phenomenon may partly come from a simple idea developed by one of porn’s most respected illustrators. Although you may not be aware of it, if you are a gay man you most likely have seen Robert Richards’ illustrations. Interviewing famous porn stars in the 1970’s and 80’s, Robert accompanied every interview with a dashing portrait of the star. He also contributed his drawings to Mandate, Honcho, Torso and Playguy. The portraits are now classic images of the hey day of gay porn before the tragic AIDS epidemic; dewy lips, windswept hair, burnished cheeks and always a massive piece of man meat.
His thoughts behind the interviews were simple, who wouldn’t want to know more about the man he jacks off to on a weekly or daily basis? Robert wanted to know who their idols were, where they were from and what they had for breakfast. It turns out, so did the rest of the community. Today one can find porn stars on red carpets, gossip magazines and top rate television programs.
I have had the pleasure of knowing Robert for several years but we always meet at functions and never get one on one time. It was a joy to have a proper sit down with the man who has illustrated both Broadway and Bear Backing and whose book, a retrospective of his work, has recently been published. We met one evening in his cramped but cozy Soho studio.
Robert Richards: You are about to see something you have never seen before!
Cator Sparks: What?
RR: How one person can turn a luxury building into a slum. Please come in.
CS: Its fabulous! Hardly a slum.
RR: Well it’s my junk and I love it.
CS: Robert, I have to apologize for my behavior the last time we were together.
RR: Whatever are you talking about?
CS: Well we were at the Harvey Milk benefit gala and I was hosting our table. I got so drunk I think I talked your ear off for over an hour about nothing and waved Kimora Lee Simons over for you to bid in the auction. I thought you may be a bit cross with me. What can I do to apologize?
RR: You were a riot! I’m hard to annoy, believe me. But if you must find a way of making it up to me, how about I sketch you while we talk.
CS: That works! Just turn up the heat and Ill get into my birthday suit.
RR: Deal.
CS: I love that your illustration of the famous singer Peter Allan was watching me disrobe in your bathroom.
RR: Well I like to think he is looking more when I am taking a shower or jacking off. I like that particular drawing of him since he was such a good friend of mine.
I illustrated posters for all of his live concerts and I loved him dearly.
CS: Didn’t you meet at a random piano bar?
RR: Oh dear, I’ve told you this story before haven’t I? Well, I was ambling down 3rd Avenue one night and I saw a man in a bar playing a piano. He was fascinating. Then I realized it was the man married to Liza Minnelli. We became friends at the bar and that’s history. Reno Sweeny was the hottest gay bar in NYC and Peter started there for a two-week engagement. He started in a suit and by the end of the week he was playing maracas on top of the piano with his ass hanging out of his pants. He was out and spinning.
CS: When did you move into this space?
RR: 20 years ago. You don’t accomplish these piles in one year Cator. I guess the big day for all of these drawings will be the day of the funeral, that’s when it all becomes finite.
CS: Robert, don’t speak of such things! What is that doll above your refrigerator?
RR: Oh, it’ s not a doll it is a sculpture. My friend Bill Bodenschatz made it for me and it is the perfect 70’s gay clone with mustache, chest hair, can of beer and very tight pants with a massive bulge. He is my kitchen witch.
CS: Does he serve as butler when you entertain?
RR: I wish. I used to entertain a lot, but I think these days I would be sued because someone would trip over a pile of Unzipped magazines and break an ankle.
CS: Do you cook with your clone?
RR: I cook at least five nights a week and never order take out. One day the doorman told me that I am the only person in the building who doesn’t order take out. I then realized how closely we are observed! When I do cook it is usually pasta or omelets. I am a total carb freak.
CS: How do you entertain then?
Just like most New Yorkers, I rsvp to a party and bring a friend. That way we get to spend time together and go somewhere amusing. I want to do a t-shirt that says ‘Born to be comped’. The New York gays give a lot to charity but we never want to pay when going out!
CS: Did you enjoy your book signing at Leslie Lohman gallery? It was such a great mix of go -go boys, leather daddies and old school queens.
RR: Well the go go boys love me because they love how I make them look, as I am making you look now. I like to keep myself fresh, so to speak, working with New York City club promoters and even Grand Theft Auto.
CS: Are you serious?
RR: Sure! I developed some characters for the San Andreas chapter. Of all people in the world to be doing this! I don’t even know what it is or how to play it.
CS: I admire you at being so in the ‘now’. You are not stuck in the past one bit. Diana Vreeland, knew all about ball bearings on skateboards when she was in her 70’s. That’s what it’s all about.
RR: But that’s how you survive! You have to leave all doors and windows open. I don’t care about money, I work on whatever I think is interesting. I’ve never had a lot of loot but I have lived like a playboy.
CS: Speaking of being a playboy, I have noticed that you rarely drink when we are out. Are you on the wagon?
RR: Very seldom. As a kid I loved getting drunk but I started getting hangovers. And I realized, if I wasn’t getting drunk then what’s the point? Who just wants one drink? What a drag. The purpose for me was the high. It is funny that you noticed that.
CS: I notice because I am aware of how much I drink, which is copious amounts, and I am always curious to see if I’m out drinking the people around me, which I usually am. And you are always so calm and cool so I had to wonder.
RR: Well I just get so horny and sex crazed, and now that I am out of that part of my life, regrettably, it’s not cute to cruise at my age. Most sexual things I have going on now come from buddies. But I am always up for a good time! And I am thinking of getting off that wagon. I miss a neat scotch with a water back, and I usually forget about the water. It’s never about cocktails. Those are for girls. I’m a man drinker! Cocktails are like pretending you are drinking. If you are going to drink, grab that bottle and go for it! To sit in the Carlyle and sip a pink drink, I might as well throw it at you. At least that would turn me on.
CS: Well speaking of sex, I have never really heard you talk about sex and you never really have a potty mouth.
RR: I can say cocksucker as well as the next guy! But maybe its because you and me are always at such swank affairs together, it’s just not appropriate.
CS: Maybe, but that doesn’t stop some of those other Mary’s. Are you still sexually active?
RR: Of course, I am just not a kiss and tell type of guy. There are certain things I don’t like. I hate the use of the word, ‘slut’ in the gay community. Of course we are, but it is very self-defacing. It really bothers me. And New York is a very small town socially and I don’t want people to know what I do in bed. Oh Lord, I am sounding too polite now!
CS: But you are a gentleman and people respect that.
RR: Well I draw dirty things so I think that makes up for me talking about it.
CS: A picture is worth a thousand words!
RR: Funny you mention me talking dirty, since I started my career interviewing porn stars.
CS: Tell me a bit about that, most of us just know you as an illustrator.
RR: Don’t forget you used to have to go to a theater to see porn. You never knew the stars names. And to get dressed and go out and then maybe get a blowjob in the theater, it was just so work intensive. This was pre DVD!
Then I had the opportunity to interview porn star Joe Gage for a nightlife magazine, a bit like Next Magazine here in New York and everything I thought about porn went out the window. He was smart and knew about film. We did a lot of collaborations together which was fun. Then I began doing interviews for a variety of gay magazines giving these stars a voice, which they loved. I would then draw them to accompany the interview, kind of like what we are doing. They loved that I would make them look so glamorous and sexy like old Hollywood stars.
CS: The Cecil Beaton of porn?
RR: Well, thank you! What a compliment. I grew up loving fashion and movies since I grew up in poverty. I don’t want to draw a dirty old guy, that’s not me. I want glamour!
CS: Here I stand stark naked in front of your huge window with a spotlight glaring in my face. Is this where all of your models stand? I would think some neighbors would call the cops for lewd behavior.
RR: Usually I have drapes up but because they are renovating the outside they had to replace my windows and they broke my blinds. So its only you, Cator, who gets the thrill of flashing my neighbors. And that is a NYU dorm you are facing by the way! Let me know if you see anything exciting.
I haven’t seen anything exciting in years. My first week here, I was drawing on the other side of the room facing the window and I noticed a light flashing on and off in one of the dorm rooms. I turned off my lights to get a better look. I got a closer look and it was a young virile boy naked as a newborn in his window giving me a gorgeous view. I got so excited that I went to turn my light back on so he could see me too and just then two cops came in and grabbed him by the wrists and pulled him from the window. Someone in my building must of snitched. If I ever find out who that was I will let them have it.
CS: Is there one person you would love to illustrate?
RR: Absolutely, the 23 year old country boy who gave me my first sexual experience when I was 10. There was a textile factory in my hometown in Maine and I used to love to go there with my wagon and find thread, fabric and spools. I would stock up and add theses to my drawings. There was a man behind the factory who would always glare at me and I was always scared of him. One day he asked me what I was doing, I told him that I was just picking up trash to include in my artwork. A bit later he called me over and said he had found something great for me to play with. He turned around and his dick was swinging out of his pants and I was thrilled! He asked me to put my hand on it. For me it felt enormous. I thought, ‘this is fabulous, I am coming here everyday’. He talked me through the event. He told me to keep stroking and something white will come out. Indeed something came out and the minute it happened, he turned around and threw a pile of change at me. I was a boy prostitute!
CS: Did you feel bad?
RR: Not a bit! I was just worried what I would tell my mother when I came home with 35 cents worth of art supplies. Till this day I still think of him and giggle.
CS: Whose name makes you giggle these days?
RR: Oh, Tony! He is a friend of mine I have ‘fun’ with. Whenever I am free then off we go. Recently, I got a call from him on my answering machine and the next morning I wanted to call him back so I took his name out of the Rolodex and took it with me to the gallery where I was working on a project. I called him and he said he was at the Leslie Lohman gallery too. I didn’t think he was much of a gallery guy but didn’t think much of it. I told him I was in the basement working on a project and to meet me there when he was done. Then I said some very dirty things to him and hung up the phone. The bell rings, I open the door and it is the wrong Tony! It was a hot young model I barely knew.
I was so confused I didn’t know what to do. I was very honest with him and told him I thought he was someone else, so we went to have tea. Then I realized that I had said some dirty things and this young boy still came. I could kick myself for not going for it.
CS: Robert, I am amazed. You are always so quick. I thought you would have him on his knees in a second.
RR: Alas, maybe I am loosing my touch.
CS: There is so much in this apartment, what do you collect the most?
RR: My own work! I used to send my work away to magazines without asking for it to be returned, so now I like to find some of my old work. I never even thought of getting it back once I sent it to the magazine. It is comforting to have.
CS: Like Vivienne Westwood’s hunt for her old iconic punk designs? She never knew they would be worth anything.
RR: Exactly! I had no idea. And now that people are collecting my work I would love to have an archive. I have nothing before 1982. I went to a Tom of Finland event at the Tom of Finland house in LA in the late 80’s and I just thought I would die. Everyone in chaps and me in a suit! I felt so nelly. But once I opened my booth I had a line six-deep all weekend of people who have collected my work. I had no idea and was just stunned. From then on I have been scouting and collectors are buying up my new work left and right.
CS: You have become such an icon in New York City. And those glasses! People can see you coming from a mile away.
RR: These glasses were a total accident. I was on the hunt for a new pair years ago and I couldn’t find a thing I liked. I saw these on the counter at the shop and the clerk said they were a mistake and he was sending them back. I put them on and was hooked. I have four pairs. I knew I really had something going with these when a gang of young black teens stopped me on the street. I thought I was done for but they burst into smiles and said, “Man those glasses are hot! You look so Public TV 13!” What a compliment. And still, not a day goes by that someone doesn’t say something. At a benefit recently, the socialite Anne Slater, known for her lapis colored cat eye glasses, crept up to me and said, “Those are so you! You know my secret? I have at least 2 pairs at every house.” Every house? Can you imagine? Another world.
CS: Another world indeed, but one we both enjoy playing in. How are the drawings coming? I’m getting a wee bit chilly.
RR: Oh they look divine! Just adding some finishing touches. Now go put on your panties with Peter Allan.
To hear Robert discuss his style, please watch this lovely interview by StyleLikeU.